The Second Apocalypse

So I was intrigued by one of RSB's comments on the comments thread below the 'Four relevations...' piece he uploaded. In reply to one of the posters he said the following: 'The big link between the Womb Plague and Yatwer is irony', so I was wondering what exactly that might mean. I'm thinking something like the Inchoroi finding some way of of manipulating the processes by which Yatwer regulates fertility, using those processes 'ironically' to do the opposite to what Yatwer does. Given that we know the no-god is closely linked with fertility being taken away as well, does that indicate that the womb plague is some kind of dry-run for the birth of the no-god? Maybe there's some kind of energy-tapping process here, where the energy that would normally come into the world through the birth of a child instead goes into the no-god?

It would be severely ironic if the god of birth was trying to destroy the one thing that was sure to stop the rise of the no-god. The no-god being the only thing that can destroy all birth.

Assuming, of course, that thats what Kellhus is doing.

They sought individual immortality and recieved racial extinction and disolution through its enactment.
There is your irony. Its fairly straightforward, I think.

Reminds me vaguely of a population of old testement people wandering through waste lands for several hundred years, and then upon reaching their holy land, found that several other people where looking for the same place for it was their holy land. Religion, or the thought of salvation/damnation has such an interesting history of disaster.

Interesting information. I appreciate your post. Thanks for sharing it.

Cheers, alice. Hope you stick around and add your worldview, if you feel the itch .

Wilshire, I've studied that journey endlessly from a war history perspective and it is... deadly. Cool twest.

Crackpot theory: the womb plague was a result of the Consult pulling Yatwer from the Outside and imprisoning her (it?) in the Carapace.

I like it. No mother of birth ... no birth.

If an entity within Earwa (Kellhus) would rewrite scripture and take over parts of the role of the gods (including Yatwer), would that have the same type of effects as the pulling of Yatwer from the outside duing the first apocalypse?

I love the idea about the Consult having removed Yatwer, but I think Ptsatma's emergence makes it seem unlikely.