The Second Apocalypse

Thematically, I think there is something very human about the No-God. The books constantly talk about people being blind to themselves and mention several times how they need the judgment of others to know about themselves (I wish I had a direct quote for this but you can't ctrl-f physical books ). Compare to the No-God saying WHAT AM I and YOU MUST TELL ME WHAT YOU SEE. Also in Kellhus's vision the figure is described as half divine and half animal. A good description for beasts who can apprehend the Logos, no?

Within the setting, a soulcatcher placed between the World and the Outside makes sense. If souls leaving the world get caught in it they will never reach the Outside and damnation and if a soul tries to enter the World it also gets caught in it and never reaches its body. Hence all children being stillborn.

Kellus is the No-god .... or in some other way closely connected too it. Or he is the new No-God ... his manipulation of his followers is starting to become similar to the way the no-god manipulates the Shank.

Is this why the Consult opposes him? Or is just that the Consult do not know K's identity yet?

So far Kellhus's manipulation has been less direct than the No-God's. Remember that the Sranc and other weapon races were custom made by the consult to be controlled. Kellhus uses things (like language, emotions, symbols) he found in the worldborn to influence them.

But that begs the all important question:

Are the things Kellhus found in the worldborn--like language, emotions, symbols--the mechanisms of control that were custom built into humans by The God or Gods?

Perhaps humans are not so different from Sranc...

I think all the consult know is that the no-god is returning .... but dont know how.

Of cause, this is just my guess but I expect some kind of major twist. However i have a feeling that the arc was sent back from the future (Kellus' time). the past and the future seemed linked in ways that havnt been fully explained yet.

The no-gods obcession that the people worship him as a god (as per the dreams of the mandate followers) seems remarkably similar to how Kellus works. Remember in one of Achamians dreams of the past, the no-god speaks to him by name. IF I remember rightly, it demands that he accepts him as god.



.. created from humans? .... maybe from Kellus' army. He become the no-god, his followers become the sranc. then through the arc, go back to the time of the no-men and eventually his defeat at the hands of Seswatha (or whatever he was called) .... man i need the new book.

Any idea when its out? was supposed to be last week but obviously it has been delayed.



... but he has not become the no-god yet (if my theory is right) but the signs are there that he works on similar lines.

We already know the Sranc are based on the Nonmen.

yeah that rings a bell. Still think Kellus and the no-god are linked

I had a crackpot theory back before TWLW came out. It was based on a passage from The Warrior Prophet and a dream sequence from the Thousandfold Thought.

First, in the scene where Kellhus is hung from the circumfix, he has a vision of the No-God and hears it speaking to him. Here is a quote:

"WHAT DO YOU SEE?
The silhouette stood, hands clasped like a monk, legs bent like a beast.
TELL ME ...
Whole worlds wailed in terror." (from page 540 of the Overlook trade paperback edition of the Warrior Prophet)

"worlds" is underlined by me. It's important to the theory.

Secondly, the dream sequence involving Seswatha and Nau-Cayuti in the Ark implies that the ship may have been alive. Seswatha tells Nau that the ship may have mothered (or fathered) the Inchoroi, if I remember correctly. If the Ark was alive, it is possible that it may have had a soul. So when the Ark plummeted to earth it died and the soul moved to the Outside (possibly).

The possibility that the Ark was alive and died, coupled with the mention of worlds (more than one world) wailing, I came to the conclusion that the No-God is the soul of the Ark, or maybe a collection of the Inchoroi souls on the Ark (less likely in my opinion since they are so concerned about damnation and I don't think the No-God is damned since the Gods are blind to it.

I liked this theory because it meshed with the idea that the No-God needed to be summoned (from the Outside?) as well as requiring the Tekne to exist (the Ark's brain or brain-equivalent?) It also explains why the Inchoroi didn't use the No-God in their war with the Nonmen. They were unskilled in sorcery and knew nothing about "summoning." It took the Mangaecca to discover a way to do it.

Now, I doubt this is the case. First, I don't see how it fits with some of the themes of the story, and plus I have no idea how the presence of a ship's soul could close off the world. And secondly, with the new revelations in TWLW it seems even less likely than when I came up with.

Anyway, hope you guys enjoy the thoughts.

I'm not so sure you should discard it so readily. The Soul-of-the-Ship thing fits with the Three Seas Forum postulate that the No God is an A.I. And the use of the plural on, "worlds," fits with the revelations of Wutteat. Does it fit perfectly post WLW? No, but some of it seems to still work.