The Second Apocalypse

Achamian starts Dreaming the life of Anasurimbor Nau-Cayuti, specifically his betrayal, capture, and probably death at the hands of his wife Ieva, the Consult, and their Lord, Shauriatas.

Are these new revelations of Seswatha's Heart and Dreams?

Kellhus' manipulations?

Prophet of the Past?

Manipulations by another...?

I think having this dream at this time was to highlight the Heron spear.
(Akka is near its location?)

Seswatha was the one prophesised to save the world in the Celmomas prophecy, not the descendant Anasûrimbor.
I see Akas task at this time, as the recovery of the spear.
Where did Seswatha hide it? Was the question being asked by Shaeönanra.

I do believe you are miss-remembering the quote.

Wasn't it simply "One of my seed will return at the end of the world"?
At least that was the first part, I can't remember if Celmomas said who was to save the world, only that the world was not to end with his demise. That is why Kell is the harbinger, not the savior.

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Edit: Further inspection of my memories, he said that the world wouldnt end with him, but that it was Seswatha's burden. This was probably what we are supposed to believe is part of the motivation behind the heart and the preservation of memories, so that Seswatha never 'died', or at least his memories are saved.
Though many people around have speculated many things about the dreams, the heart, Seswatha, and even this very prophesy. Some suggest that the prophesy if a farce created by the Consult, but whatever thats not really what this post is talking about.

Also remember that its not necessarily what the dream was about, but rather WHEN the dream occurred (from Bakker himself in a recent interview I think). Though it could be a marriage of both, so perhaps when Nau was being tortured, Seswatha was running around Ishual. To me its very difficult to disengage meaning from the dream completely and only focus on when, so I lean towards this kind of combination as it is something I can understand.

So gents, I took your inevitable conclusion and dropped it into the Interlude: Ishual thread. Timing, location, varience... Seswatha hid the Heron Spear in Ishual.

bingo

Hmm.
I remember it as preventing the end of the world being Seswatha’s burden.
I’ll have to check

Also i am talking about the when, it’s the first time Akka has had this dream.
(right outside Ishul)
At the time of Nau-Cayûti torture not many knew of the kings hidden citadel.
Seswatha may well have seen it as a good hiding place?

So yeah, Madness has solved it

This is assuming, of course, that the revelations of Nau-Cayuti's Dreams aren't proof of something else, instead of or as well as our conclusions here.

But I think it's pretty solid. It'd be pretty damn cool if Achamian gets to start off TUC with a fucking lasgun .

That's always an aspect of this that I hope Bakker really explores because he's doing something novel with this fantasy perspective of a SF/F mash-up.

Then again, five books in, I also want Bakker to do a series just straight up SF but we'll see where this goes.

Found it.

The high king shook his head , stilled him with tender eyes. ”they call to me.
They say that my end is not the world’s end.
That burden they say , is yours.
Yours, Seswatha.”

It’s open to interpretation i guess.

First of all, stop it lol, too many theories all at once.
Second, I finished God Emperor of Dune, though this is largely unrelated to his topic aside from your allusion.
Along that line of though, maybe the carapace was a shield and when the lasgun, i mean heron spear, shot it.... well you know the rest (the carapace could have contained much of the ensuing explosion and let out all the radiation)

and then "one of my seed will return at the end of the world" right?



Line by line then:
"they call to me"
Who are 'they'? The gods? If so which ones. I didn't think Earwa's gods did that (though someone will probably find another instance of this this happening now that i've said that), it sounds like hes describing Valkyries and hes about to go to Valhalla.

"They say that my end is not the world's end."
There they are again. Sigh, wish we had more. Prophesies have a funny way of turning up false in Earwa, those damn Consult and their meddling (along with other forces). Regardless, pretty clear that he thinks his dieing is not the end of the world.

"That burden, they say, is yours. Yours Seswatha"
That burden is, I would guess, meant to be the burden in the line above, and that its Seswatha's not his.
So then it would read, replacing the words "Your end is the world's end".

Thoughts?