The Second Apocalypse

I think he said he is more than a Dunyain. The more decided this about his dad and attached history, certainly. Not sure it's just about Dunyain perse.

I agree with this.
Do you remember the scene at the end of the Warrior Prophet where Aurang? Is systematically torturing and questioning men dragged in from some southern village?
His repeated question was simple, “who are the Dûnyain?”
The search had begun in earnest.

Btw, someone offered an option that the ruins of Ishuäl are old.
That can’t be the case, we get a description from Kellhus as he leaves Ishuä in at the start of the first book.
And he does not describe ruins as I recall.

Very little is actually said about the outward appearance of Ishual. Almost all of what we know is about the internal workings, i.e The Thousand Thousand halls and the room of faces. The external walls, battlement, castle, all of this is a mystery. Kell may leave, but what does he say about when he leaves? He doesn't even look back or tell us about the leaving, mostly just that he simply left. And not to mention that Ishual is exceedingly old by human standards. All of the ruins that Akka explores are from a similar time period, and a lot of them are completely destroyed, down to their foundations if you will.

To clarify, Aurang was interrogating his prisoners north of the Sea of Cerish (which is East not south), and I believe it was near Myclai (thought this is the only map marker in that area so I could just be making that part up). But that's largely irreverent, it shows that the consult were looking, hard, to find Ishual. If they found a tiny band of wandering nomads in the northeastern wastes of Earwa, they certainly could find a Citadel stronghold, secret or not.

If the Dunyain are responsible for Ishual's destruction then I believe it happened since Kellhus left Ishual as a measure against his returning and interfering with The Project, a la Moenghus.

I've also voiced ideas in the past about the Thousand Thousand Halls simply being an extension of Ishterebinth from the Mansion's former glory and Mimara and Achamian, wearing Nil'giccas armor, simply wander into a living Mansion.

I've been challenged on this by a friend who doesn't partake in online discussion but I think we agreed to disagree due to the ambiguity of the relevant passages (or he just proved me wrong, perhaps) - he argues that the Thousand Thousand Halls are explicitly built by the Dunyain.

However, locksnow mention the when of the Dreams and now Borric and Wilshire are forming this conclusion in the Nau-Cayuti Dreams thread, so I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the new theory that:

Bakker is going to drop a bomb on us real early on in TUC and Mimara and Achamian are going to find the Heron Spear in Ishual because that's where Seswatha hid it!

Umm.
Yeah he does look back, and he does comment.
It’s in the prologue to the darkness that comes before, so it should be easy for us to find.

There was also another comment during Kel’s memories of his childhood training.
When he was outside, and the proctor was teaching them combat training.
But i can’t remember in which book that was, or where.

"Distant figures filed between the battlements before disappearing behind stone - the elder Dunyain abandoning their vigil. They would wind down the mighty staircases, Kellhus knew, and one by one enter the darkness of the Thousand Thousand Halls, the great Labyrinth that wheeled through the depths of Ishual. There they would die, as had been decided. All those his father had polluted" (TDTCB, p5).

Did Celmomas build over the entrance to a Mansion? Did he build Ishual at all? Did he strike a deal with Nil'giccas?

"Thousand Thousand Halls - The labyrinth constructed by the Dunyain beneath Ishual and used by them to test their initiates. Those who become lost in the Thousand Thousand Halls invariably die, ensuring that only the most intelligent survive" (TTT Glossary, p625).

Truth? My friend seems right.

"Because of this, events unfolded with granitic certainty in Ishual" (TDTCB, p7).

So there is a dark Labyrinth that becomes perfectly knowable to a Dunyanic threshold for human minds.

And from the prologue.

Climbing pitted mountain trails, Anasûrimbor Kellhus leaned on his knee and turned to look at the monastic citadel. Ishuals ramparts towered above a screen of spruce and larches, only to be dwarfed by the rutted mountain slopes beyond.

I think that likely, building a citadel in secret, in a mountain range would be nigh on impossible right?

I missed that quote, good eye, Borric.

Is it possible that the Dunyain have joined the Consult in some capacity? Given their disgust w/ Moe's "corruption" this seems almost likely.