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 Post subject: Re: ...in the Unholy Consult
PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:43 pm 
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Hmmm how about Akka and Kellhus entering together the Ark like Seswatha and Nau Kayuti did?

Anyway i would love to see Kellhus true intentions, learning everything about the Consult, discovering more about the No God and the metaphysics of Earwa and of course what is going on with Kelmomas and the WLW. Oh and certainly what the next duology is going to be about.

Seems a pretty long list but somehow i think that all these will be answered in the UC.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:04 am 
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I'd be inclined to think Kellhus's war is with the damnation machine and the gods - the consult is basically one step in that - conditioning them to use their techne towards this other mission.

But I'm not sure how being 'mad' is supposed to make Kellhus act. If there are various types of mad, I'm not sure which one he's supposed to have.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:53 am 
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Wilshire wrote:
(but unlike Seswatha, the 3 seas is pretty much unified so maybe they would finally unite with Zeum)


That would satisfy my thirst for Zeum. I feel as if I've heard it mentioned somewhere that the AE trilogy expanded our knowledge of Earwa, not only the revelations concerning metaphysics, but by expanding the setting into the Ancient North. If this pattern is maintained as the TSA cycle continues then perhaps it's not empty hoping to experience Zeum as a setting.

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Several battles, immanent doom, pushed back into a corner with no way out, no hope left, final battle


Suppose the Great Ordeal fails and the Consult finally obliterates the North, and in continuing south to devastate the Three Seas in their pursuit of salvation, they come closer to their goal than ever they had in the past. The Consult scatters humanity in its wake, the only resistance amassing in Zeum.

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Ending is up in the air, everyone dies and inchis win or somehow the people survive


I sometimes like to entertain the idea that the second apocalypse truly comes to pass, that the Inchoroi and the Consult manage to reduce the population of Earwa to 144k only to realize that Earwa is no different from the countless other worlds they had annihilated. The idea of such grand futility in a world as intentional as Earwa possesses a kind of tragically humuorous poignancy to me


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:00 am 
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Mog Kellhus wrote:
Anyway i would love to see Kellhus true intentions, learning everything about the Consult, discovering more about the No God and the metaphysics of Earwa and of course what is going on with Kelmomas and the WLW. Oh and certainly what the next duology is going to be about.

Seems a pretty long list but somehow i think that all these will be answered in the UC.


Bakker's mentioned that he has reservations regarding TUC, fearing that it may be too much of an information overload for the reader. Speaking for myself, I will ravenously devour as much as he can deliver, even unto gluttony.


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I sometimes like to entertain the idea that the second apocalypse truly comes to pass, that the Inchoroi and the Consult manage to reduce the population of Earwa to 144k only to realize that Earwa is no different from the countless other worlds they had annihilated. The idea of such grand futility in a world as intentional as Earwa possesses a kind of tragically humuorous poignancy to me

And then they raged to find themselves still damned. Fuck. That would suck. What then? Try to rebuild the Ark?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:35 am 
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Camlost wrote:
I sometimes like to entertain the idea that the second apocalypse truly comes to pass, that the Inchoroi and the Consult manage to reduce the population of Earwa to 144k only to realize that Earwa is no different from the countless other worlds they had annihilated. The idea of such grand futility in a world as intentional as Earwa possesses a kind of tragically humuorous poignancy to me

Jeez, some of the people here at SA really have 'pull the rug out' imaginations! Sheesh!


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Callan S. wrote:
Jeez, some of the people here at SA really have 'pull the rug out' imaginations! Sheesh!


I wouldn't put something like that (the second apocalypse happening and proving futile) past Bakker. Though I'm certain he has more eloquent designs than that


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Camlost wrote:
I sometimes like to entertain the idea that the second apocalypse truly comes to pass, that the Inchoroi and the Consult manage to reduce the population of Earwa to 144k only to realize that Earwa is no different from the countless other worlds they had annihilated. The idea of such grand futility in a world as intentional as Earwa possesses a kind of tragically humuorous poignancy to me


Love this. I'd enjoy an ending like that. Like the end of 1984
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maybe somebody hasnt read it, i dunno. When you want so bad for the main character to have his last resistance unto death (who can overcome the stronghold of the mind?), but his dieing thought is his love for the government that took everything from him. So grand.


But i'd imagine it would seriously irritate several people (which is a lot considering the size of his fan base)


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the arc explained............kellhus's true intentions(i believe the dunyain will seek to scavenge what ever sorcery/power he can from the arc...to what end...only bakker knows) .....what sethwathas dreams really are driving at.......and what sranc taste like on a open spite.....barbacued dog anyone?.......


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Wilshire wrote:
I'd enjoy an ending like that. Like the end of 1984


Drusas Achamian gazed up at the enormous phallus. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the creature's watery features. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Aurang's phallus.


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