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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:54 pm 
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Not a bad theory Church.

Perhaps the no-god projects his soul into all the sranc that are under his control. Thus controlling the gibbering multitudes like appendages of his own body. We dont know why the sranc follow the no god, how they are controlled, and (correct me if im wrong) we have no evidence as to whether or not sranc have souls. If they don't, well, it would make the whole process even simpler to 'possess' or somehow implant the no-god's 'soul' into them all, making them do his bidding though maintaining enough 'intellect' to rape and pillage when not being directly controlled.


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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:46 am 
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Just thinking out loud here, but could...

Church wrote:
the soul-splitting / movement through separate carriers


...be the same principle in which Seswatha is cycling part of his consciousness/his memories through the Mandate? Could he be using the same principle to either keep the memory of the First Apocalypse alive, or even more perversely, himself? I'm not sure how I feel about that last bit. That would make him seem to be in league with the Consult.


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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:35 pm 
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on westeros I postulated that Seswatha's heart is in fact Nau Cayuti's heart and that it was recovered from the carapace of the No God after the NG was destroyed. In a sense NC's heart could be the heart of the NoGod, or one of them at least.

Here's a thought playing off of that, and the above thought of TonyP.

What if the Mandate, by preserving Seswatha's heart, have kept the No God alive, that this one piece of the No God they have, and have preserved, is what makes the Second Apocalypse possible.

Is Seswatha's Heart equivalent to the One Ring?

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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
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lockesnow wrote:
Here's a thought playing off of that, and the above thought of TonyP.

What if the Mandate, by preserving Seswatha's heart, have kept the No God alive, that this one piece of the No God they have, and have preserved, is what makes the Second Apocalypse possible.

Is Seswatha's Heart equivalent to the One Ring?


If this were possibly true, wouldn't we need to assume that The Consult was well-aware of this?

I don't think it's a bluff on the part of the author or the skin spies that Moe has interrogated that The Consult does indeed believe that it is close to reviving the No-God.

So if The Mandate was somehow playing a part with a key object, wouldn't The Consult need to get it back? Kind of like how Seswatha (we're told) needed to get the Heron Spear out of the Ark?


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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
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speaking of the heron spear, this excerpt does suggest that the Consult feared the Heron Spear. And note that this is years before the No God is realized.

I'm guessing that Bakker is going to use the NC dreams throughout the book to explain the entire process of how the NG was realized.

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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
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lockesnow wrote:
speaking of the heron spear, this excerpt does suggest that the Consult feared the Heron Spear. And note that this is years before the No God is realized.


Eh?
This is just before the No-God arrives.

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

take a look at the date 2140
the no-god is summoned two years later.


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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
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I'd say if the timeframe is two years away, that "years away" is a more accurate description than "just before" :D

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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
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It's interesting that Shae/Shaur mentions that NC's wife was motivated to forestall her damnation.

Presumably there would be a lot of folks who would actually be rooting for the Consult if they understood what was going on.


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 Post subject: Re: Excerpt - The Unholy Consult, Chapter One
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Its all about propaganda Triskele. As bakker says, no muslim children are born to christian families, errmmm i mean "no fanim children are born to inrithi households"


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The Consult should torch their PR guy.

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