The Second Apocalypse

I want more!
Any idea when the rest of the chapter will be released?
And where?

I want more as well, please give us 6.1.3 asap!


I take this to mean that Moenghus destroyed Ishual after Kellhus left. And I take it to mean that Moe has structured a truly epic lie and Kellhus is so deeply buried within it he can't even see the borders of the lie into the realms of truth.

Alternatively, it could be self mocking. All fiction is necessarily a lie, and yet we readers embed ourselves within a lie and search for truth, but isn't all truth that comes from a lie inherently tainted by the lie itself? Who is the father but the author?

So souls are divisible. This is new. We already have (unconfirmed) reports of two people sharing the same soul, the whole part of the God theory. And now we have one bouncing around between a few old people. Maybe Quirri has something to do with them as well.

This topic should be stickied.

Ahh forumites. I believe the singular thread at westeros has received more responses to the posting here in this forum, than this thread containing the actual excerpt received. It's not posted anywhere else, but all we can manage is 12 replies?

Clearly the solution is that Bakker needs to give us more excerpts.

Perspective is blinding, lockesnow.

In the case of Westeros, I think many of the posters who partake in the Bakker threads there, are consigned to one forum in their lives. In other cases, they simply aren't as interested in Bakker's books as some of us are, and not interested enough to join a new forum.

But let's give it some stats (clearly, I'm nothing more than an amateur marketer):

I posted this thread on Saturday and messaged Pat (Fantasy Hotlist) and Adam (Wertzone) about it later that afternoon. Both of them blogged about it shortly after that and Pat also linked this thread in the Westeros White-Luck thread.

At this point, their blogs respectively have two unique replies (four between the two of them).

As you say, lockesnow, Westeros has garnered the most hits and replies to that thread. I also posted quick links yesterday on Malazan's and SFFWorld's Bakker thread and forum - the Malazan thread getting one reply - and both threads getting a hundred extra views for the post.

Bakker only caught up and posted about it today himself and has only seven comments.

We have just over ten posts to this thread, extra traffic, and no new members.

However, in terms of traffic, it's still early as to the peak of views, probably, based on the relative youth of all those plugs.

The stats certainly give you some insight as to where the internet SFF demographic stands on Bakker, at the moment.

However, I do meet more and more people all the time who love Bakker's books and have no interest in partaking in these discussions online.

EDIT: Foot in mouth. One new member. Welcome, JeffColey. Also, 350, 500, 600, unique visits - as in, non-repeating IPs - Sat, Sun, and today so far, respectively.

Hope I didn't sound too bitchy, I was just hoping for more discussion of the meat in this excerpt, guess that makes me greedy.

Does anyone else think that Shaeonanra, as we see him here, represents a self moving soul?

On the subject of souls being divisible, is that what we’re seeing in the dream though?

Achamian speaks of the memories, faculty and character of the soul being torn out and cast into the Outside, tormented there. But is he being literal? If so, and everything that made Shaeonanra himself is now gone, how can he actually be a threat? How can what’s left have a mind or cast spells? If Shaeonanra continues to exist without memories, how can he seek to avoid damnation? Is there something else, some essential Shaeonanra-ness that survives in the empty soul?

Also, does it strike anybody as significant that Mimara asks her question regarding soul trapping in the way she does? “But isn't soul trapping an ancient art?”

Also, do we have the Inchoroi’s name for themselves? Iyisku? Or is this just a term of reverence the Consult uses? Can anybody recall if it shows up anywhere else?

To assume meat always seems to make raw assumption. Sadly the works enforce a kind of stunned silence!

Also westeros forumites basically 'follow the conversation' alot of people post to be in a conversation because that comes first - the excerpt is simply a means to the end of conversing. So you get alot of comments.

Anyway, I'm surprised at the 'How's he doing?' part - doesn't seem a bibilical line of phrase. Maybe that's something about Mimara, but then Akka follows up with some lol. I guess it imbeds the modern into the biblical and the biblical into the modern. I guess space aliens jarred me at first as well, too!

I didn't read that as applying to him - he's spread across living human individuals, not tied up in a rag doll? Did I read wrong?

It's inspired me to actually log in for once since I left a few months ago, Madness. Excellent work, I hope to see more in the near future. Can't wait for the book.